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		<title>By: davmp</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duh!  No one in their right mind would ever sell at a net credit of $37.06 as that&#039;s higher than the positions should ever be worth.  Once the call is in the money, it should be pretty close to 100 delta, and thus track every market movement pretty closely.  Indeed, my $37.06 was never hit and the option ended up being assigned at expiration.   I could have easily sold it for a lower net credit, say around $36.95, a couple times.  In the future, I&#039;ll be entering such orders as soon as I enter a position.   Thus ensuring I get out as soon as I can with most of the target profit, which will lower the risk of holding through a large drop simply because I was waiting until expiration to capture that last $10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh!  No one in their right mind would ever sell at a net credit of $37.06 as that&#8217;s higher than the positions should ever be worth.  Once the call is in the money, it should be pretty close to 100 delta, and thus track every market movement pretty closely.  Indeed, my $37.06 was never hit and the option ended up being assigned at expiration.   I could have easily sold it for a lower net credit, say around $36.95, a couple times.  In the future, I&#8217;ll be entering such orders as soon as I enter a position.   Thus ensuring I get out as soon as I can with most of the target profit, which will lower the risk of holding through a large drop simply because I was waiting until expiration to capture that last $10.</p>
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		<title>By: davmp</title>
		<link>http://geographic-independence.com/trade-aig-covered-call/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>davmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the net credit I mentioned in the last comment also didn&#039;t hit for the day order I had entered.   But after watching the prices fluctuate for a bit, I then figure that the likelihood of AIG ending up below my $37 strike was pretty small, so instead I decided to enter a GTC order for a net credit of $37.06.  Given the trading commissions at TradeKing will be $5.60 more than at expiration, this will allow me to capture the maximum profit I had in mind when entering the position.  That is, it&#039;s equivalent to being above $37 at expiration.   As of just a few moments ago, AIG and IKG JK had an net credit ask just pennies from this $37.06.  It&#039;s possible I&#039;ll sell out of my position today.  (BTW: AIG is at 44.12 as I write this.)

I could aim to hold on to things an wait for a better net credit, but I&#039;m still a bit nervous about the volatility for AIG,.  So I figure capturing my max profit and being out earlier is wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the net credit I mentioned in the last comment also didn&#8217;t hit for the day order I had entered.   But after watching the prices fluctuate for a bit, I then figure that the likelihood of AIG ending up below my $37 strike was pretty small, so instead I decided to enter a GTC order for a net credit of $37.06.  Given the trading commissions at TradeKing will be $5.60 more than at expiration, this will allow me to capture the maximum profit I had in mind when entering the position.  That is, it&#8217;s equivalent to being above $37 at expiration.   As of just a few moments ago, AIG and IKG JK had an net credit ask just pennies from this $37.06.  It&#8217;s possible I&#8217;ll sell out of my position today.  (BTW: AIG is at 44.12 as I write this.)</p>
<p>I could aim to hold on to things an wait for a better net credit, but I&#8217;m still a bit nervous about the volatility for AIG,.  So I figure capturing my max profit and being out earlier is wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: davmp</title>
		<link>http://geographic-independence.com/trade-aig-covered-call/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>davmp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My close out for a net credit of $36.87 didn&#039;t trigger yesterday, but the current quote for it has a $36.12 mid-point.  I&#039;ll re-enter my order for a $36.87 net credit and see if it triggers today.  AIG is currently up and trading at ~$45.25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My close out for a net credit of $36.87 didn&#8217;t trigger yesterday, but the current quote for it has a $36.12 mid-point.  I&#8217;ll re-enter my order for a $36.87 net credit and see if it triggers today.  AIG is currently up and trading at ~$45.25.</p>
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		<title>By: davmp</title>
		<link>http://geographic-independence.com/trade-aig-covered-call/#comment-601</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been watching my covered call fairly closely, and reading alot more about AIG in the process.  At one point last week, I noticed that AIG had dropped below my strike at a rate equivalent to what I picture a stone sinking into a lake to be like, but then it also recovered fairly quickly too.  The speed at which AIG fluctuates is pretty amazing / amusing.  But not surprising given their business situation.

Having done a bit more reading over the weekend, I&#039;m wondering how I would have done if I had made a collar play instead of a covered call.  A collar is simply adding the purchase of an OTM put (i.e. strike below the underlying&#039;s trading price) to a covered call.  I don&#039;t have the option quotes from the time of my original covered call trade, but using current data, I might have BTO AIG @ 42.44, STO IKG JQ (Oct $43) for $3.22, and BTO IKG VU (Oct $42) for $3.35.  That would expose me to a max loss of of $65 plus commissions, or a max gain of $35 minus commissions.  Not a great profit potential on that combo, and I&#039;d say fairly high risk of losing the max too, but perhaps there are ways to play it a little better given more research into collars?  I need to modify my spreadsheets to account for adding the put so that I can play with numbers and get a better understanding of collars.

That being said, today I was thinking that if I could lock in most of my gains and get out early, I could be pretty happy with that.  So I entered a day order to sell out of the covered call for a net credit of $36.87.  That would net me just over 90% of the profit expected if my covered call was assigned at expiration.  As a point of reference, the current net credit mid-point quote is $35.56, which would get me just over 20% of the original profit.  So there&#039;s still quite a gap between my order and the current market ($1.21) however, I&#039;ve seen this move more than $1 in a day last week, so perhaps I could get lucky and hit.  If not, I&#039;ll take another look tomorrow morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been watching my covered call fairly closely, and reading alot more about AIG in the process.  At one point last week, I noticed that AIG had dropped below my strike at a rate equivalent to what I picture a stone sinking into a lake to be like, but then it also recovered fairly quickly too.  The speed at which AIG fluctuates is pretty amazing / amusing.  But not surprising given their business situation.</p>
<p>Having done a bit more reading over the weekend, I&#8217;m wondering how I would have done if I had made a collar play instead of a covered call.  A collar is simply adding the purchase of an OTM put (i.e. strike below the underlying&#8217;s trading price) to a covered call.  I don&#8217;t have the option quotes from the time of my original covered call trade, but using current data, I might have BTO AIG @ 42.44, STO IKG JQ (Oct $43) for $3.22, and BTO IKG VU (Oct $42) for $3.35.  That would expose me to a max loss of of $65 plus commissions, or a max gain of $35 minus commissions.  Not a great profit potential on that combo, and I&#8217;d say fairly high risk of losing the max too, but perhaps there are ways to play it a little better given more research into collars?  I need to modify my spreadsheets to account for adding the put so that I can play with numbers and get a better understanding of collars.</p>
<p>That being said, today I was thinking that if I could lock in most of my gains and get out early, I could be pretty happy with that.  So I entered a day order to sell out of the covered call for a net credit of $36.87.  That would net me just over 90% of the profit expected if my covered call was assigned at expiration.  As a point of reference, the current net credit mid-point quote is $35.56, which would get me just over 20% of the original profit.  So there&#8217;s still quite a gap between my order and the current market ($1.21) however, I&#8217;ve seen this move more than $1 in a day last week, so perhaps I could get lucky and hit.  If not, I&#8217;ll take another look tomorrow morning.</p>
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